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Bigdog
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OK, I'm totally embarrassed by this topic....but I haven't updated since last May and I want to now....the last disks I bought were the All Star Discs 1403 which used to be grouped by the months basically..... Well I've searched a few sites and they seem to be not doing that anymore and they started grouping new songs with old songs...I have no intention of spending money on duplicate songs from 10 years ago just to get some new ones.....

So my question is if I have to buy downloads...do these sites group the songs by months anymore or will I have to look for evey song individually by title....which, I'll be honest.... I don't listen to the radio so I don't know the names of any popular songs since the ones I bought last year. :redface: I'm not even up on the popular group names either :redface:

Is there a list anywhere of the popular pop and country songs I can buy? I can't believe these companies have resorted to mixing the old and new songs.... They should know anybody that's been around for at least a few years has all the old songs already....maybe they just aren't the version they started making.... I'm kinda pissed right about now....I figured I could just get on a site and buy all the discs made since last May...... :twisted:


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8) During the last part of my karaoke hosting career I bought very few new songs. Usually only when someone requested it. The core of my library was built around DK originally, that was the most requested brand, since I specialized in Golden Oldie Shows. My target market was baby boomers since they are the largest market with the most disposable income. Much of the new music with the exception of Country is not really geared to the karaoke format, since much of new music is computer generated and processed. It is almost impossible to recreate in a karaoke hosting format.
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Yes, I agree with the oldies shows...it was one of my most popular....but the biggest complaint has always been ...they don't spend enough money drinking pop and water.... And young people coming in don't stay when they see all the geezers.

The newer music today is almost impossible to sing because many of the guys have really high voices and hit many high notes...I can't sing them. The average singer can't sing them either.

Buying single songs by request is the way to go since they started mixing the new songs with old ones. I think the average person if they want country songs or oldies or pop would rather buy them in one group not mixed and miss matched and not being forced to buy things they don't need or want. I know I was immediately turned off when I saw what they were doing. So now the question...are they forcing us into buying custom discs/ downloads on purpose?
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Bigdog wrote:Yes, I agree with the oldies shows...it was one of my most popular....but the biggest complaint has always been ...they don't spend enough money drinking pop and water.... And young people coming in don't stay when they see all the geezers.

The newer music today is almost impossible to sing because many of the guys have really high voices and hit many high notes...I can't sing them. The average singer can't sing them either.

Buying single songs by request is the way to go since they started mixing the new songs with old ones. I think the average person if they want country songs or oldies or pop would rather buy them in one group not mixed and miss matched and not being forced to buy things they don't need or want. I know I was immediately turned off when I saw what they were doing. So now the question...are they forcing us into buying custom discs/ downloads on purpose?
8) I think if the oldies show is positioned in the right venue, then money can be made. I remember one Mexican Restaurant/Cantina that went to an oldies show to discourage the young people from coming. The reason being many young customers did not have the money to buy dinner and they were doing drugs in the parking lot and not spending any money at the bar. Also they were causing the older better funded crowd to stay away. The real money in karaoke hosting is private parties and many baby boomers in fine houses are willing to pay $200 or more, that is why I always left my weekends open, and had my shows in fixed locations during the work week. The word got out about what type of show I specialized in and I was always busy. So much so that any extra work I couldn't handle was handed off to other hosts.

I have talked to many hosts that have spent money on new music it is sung once or twice, and then just sits in the library. The standard Classics on the other hand are dusted off and played all the time. It is sort of the case they are so old they are new. Rod Stewart at the later part of his career made albums of old standards. If you have to, have a song buying the download seems to be the way to go, picking and choosing and not paying for what you already have. I don't feel anyone was forcing me to buy anything when I was hosting. I made a choice to boycott SC product early on and I'm glad I did, in view of their current actions.
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Sunfly are still selling a monthly disc as is Mr. Entertainer. I do have the Sunfly Hits disc posted to me every month.
I also buy single tracks when requested from online, The main supplier I use is http://www.karaokedownloads.ca
I have an account setup and you just purchase x amount of credits which gives you an account number, once you have that you no longer need to enter your credit card details while at your show. If someone request a song at my show that I don't have I can quickly enter either title, artist or both, it quickly finds the song and download it immediately while someone else is singing and be ready to play it before the next singer.
I download it to a folder on my desktop temporarily so it's easy to find then index properly after the show.
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Downloading during a show sounds like a disaster waiting to happen...you get a bug that kills the computer you'll go home with no money and a big repair bill to get the computer fixed before the next show.

I went on YouTube and searched for the top ten hits of the month videos for country and pop. Did that for the entire last year.... Picked out the most popular song titles...and with a few requested songs came up with about 85 new songs.... Some of the songs I couldn't find but I'm happy about my latest update.

Most of today's music won't be played or even sung next year or forever.... Not catchy enough....no musical hooks to make them good enough....to remember. There are a few...but not that many.

Today's music will never stack up against the music from the last 50 years.

Another nice thing about doing oldie shows is you can get more singers per hour because the songs were shorter...today I get 15-16 per hour...used to get 20-21
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I can also see the problem of downloading during a show. That is why most computer hosts that I talk to have a laptop they use for their show and they do not go on line during the performance. They have a home computer they screen all materials through before it is placed on their performance machine. Spending money on new material seems to be a waste of time, unless of course you have a really young crowd doing karaoke. My own children have no interest in karaoke, and find it kind of weird that after all the things I did in my life, I ended up being a karaoke host until I fully retired. As far as length of songs is concerned it depends on how much exposure the individual singer wants for his or her block of time. Some singers are hams and they pick long songs like "American Pie" or "One Bourbon One Scotch One Beer".
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Paradigm Karaoke
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those that have gotten viruses are going to torrent sites, irc, or other dangerous sites they should not be on anyway. i know i have never had an issue and nobody i know of that only goes to icroons and legit download sites like Karaoke Version, Tricerasoft and Custom Burn have ever gotten a virus on their computer. windows defender and firewall will keep you safe from the random crap, but to go to iffy sites is still dangerous.
i agree on the music today, but while others go and get the top list and buy that way, a mojority of those songs have run their course and will not be sung at all. by buying on the fly, i get them while they are still hot and people are asking to sing it and i get some use out of it.
other shows out here have done what Big Dog mentioned for things like Gangnam Style, they got it after checking the charts, but it was at the end of it's run by then and all the singers that wanted it came to my show because i bought it when they asked. those other shows wasted money on a song that will never be sung, i spent money on a song that stole singers away and actually got used.
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It was just on the net news about younger people having shorter attention spans. The seven year itch is now down to 3 1/2 years...they get bored too easily. Today's music is too long, doesn't have a catchy easy to remember hook. They have strayed away from the 50 year old proven song writing formula. I have a really hard time trying to remember/learn these new songs and to be honest...there aren't that many I want too learn. Songs were short and catchy easy to sing, easy to remember all the words and fun...they are still sung today.

There has to be a reason...as for new songs not getting sung...just proves my point....they already got bored with them. New music today will never have the lasting quality of the older songs. There are over 100 Beatles songs in my book....nobody wrote better songs. They changed everything. Every group tried to follow their song writing example. If music is to survive it needs to go back to the beginnings.
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That's probably why I don't listen to the radio much anymore....I listen to oldies ...not new music. I think I sing about ten songs from the last 5 years....I sing over 600 songs so what does that tell you....

I'll never waste money buying rap songs for karaoke...already wasted too much accidentally. I don't need to attract wannabe gangsters and drug addicts to my shows.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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i agree with you completely. i think a majority o the new music sucks. they use the same computer generated "beats" as every other rapper. however...
i have a shatload of Beatles and over 400 elvis songs...those never get done, but Snoop Dogg, Ice T, Rhianna, Tupac, those get done all the time...in an irish bar of all things. i don't even get the Beatles or Elvis at the VFW, DAV, Legion, Eagles, Moose or Elk. but Girl Crush....
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:i agree with you completely. i think a majority o the new music sucks. they use the same computer generated "beats" as every other rapper. however...
i have a shatload of Beatles and over 400 elvis songs...those never get done, but Snoop Dogg, Ice T, Rhianna, Tupac, those get done all the time...in an irish bar of all things. i don't even get the Beatles or Elvis at the VFW, DAV, Legion, Eagles, Moose or Elk. but Girl Crush....
8) Not much but some Beatles "When I'm 64", some Elvis although I too have over 400 Elvis songs. There are several professional Elvis impersonators in my area, they play for different clubs and the Indian Casino, they practice at local karaoke shows, sometimes in full costume, to get exposure for their business. I do the more off the wall Beatles songs like "Maxwell's Silver Hammer". I have found strangely that Music Mastero has the best Elvis tracks and the most. At least the best in my opinion.
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I have deleted most of the rap crap....but in 23 years I think I can remember 1 time a black person ever attempted to sing one of the few rap songs I do have...it's always some wannabe white guy that thinks he can rap.

I think the most sung songs today are new country and oldies....a few newer pop songs get sung ....I harlpdly even get many requests for newer pop music. I still say most guys can't sing the new songs because the artists hit a lot of high notes the average guy can't hit.....there are lots of high note songs I wish I could sing...but it will never happen.

Today's new music (the majority) just isn't going to last....too hard to sing...no memorable musical hooks and lyrical parts.

I just heard on the tv today that the new country music is popular all around the world... Can't verify that with any statistics but if it's true...that's making a big statement.
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And I forgot to mention...that could be the big reason younger people aren't into karaoke....can't sing the music.....
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I get younger singers all the time at one of my shows. A couple like to sing Beyonce and one does great on John Legend and Ed Sheeran.
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