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Re: Buying music

Post by The Lone Ranger » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:28 pm

wiseguy wrote: Yes... some people are... and these are the same people who would have a one night stand with a person they just met in a bar. That's where technology comes in. Now an individual who is predisposed to this behavior can meet a lot more people and have a lot more one night stands. Studies and poll statistics bear out that casual sex among young people has increased substantially in step with technological advances.
8) I don't really disagree with anything you have written wiseguy. This advance in technology can go back to what Bigdog was talking about the drop of in bar attendance. This is what should be a concern of any still working KJ or DJ. The drop of in attendance will translate into reduced bar receipts and less of a budget to hire bands, DJ's or KJ's. It will make little difference in what type of entertainment is attempted since none will be able to drawn enough to justify the expense business wise. That is why you have seen a steady drop in the earnings of all forums of club entertainment.



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Re: Buying music

Post by Bigdog » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:57 pm

Ok...for the record I'll, have sex with anybody on here... :wink:

In the "old days" people went the hear a band or DJ..to meet people.. Before karaoke. The idea being to get to ask somebody to SLOW dance...physical contact leading to other activities....maybe.... Do kids slow dance today?

They want to change to karaoke because the DJs aren't attracting as many people on the weekend.... Karaoke has the power the entertain all age groups and musical tastes at the same time.... A band or DJ can't get away with that. Bands usually have one style and it's usually dance music if you're a cover band and want to get paid..... They are banking on the dancing crowd to fill the bar. DJs are banking on the dancing criowd to fill the bar. karaoke doesn't depend on the dancing crowd....people can dance at karaoke but the main objective is getting to perform in front of people in some small way....

That's what sets karaoke apart from everything else and I think it's the big reason it's still very popular..... But is it really popular with the younger generation? Or is it only popular if they get to swear and disrespect everyone and smoke and drink and do drugs... Smokers have all the bad habits...

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Re: Buying music

Post by Bigdog » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:04 pm

Well the stricter DUI laws aren't helping attendance either...

Ok here is a question for the CAlifornia KJs.... Since it's all no smoking at every bar....is the attendance even at all the bars between smokers and nonsmokers... Does one type of entertainment draw more than another? What is the most popular form of entertainment?

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Re: Buying music

Post by wiseguy » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:00 pm

Bigdog wrote:That's what sets karaoke apart from everything else and I think it's the big reason it's still very popular..... But is it really popular with the younger generation? Or is it only popular if they get to swear and disrespect everyone and smoke and drink and do drugs... Smokers have all the bad habits...
I guess I'm lucky I don't have to do shows in your area. With all those disrespecting hoodlums you have to deal with. My shows consist of mostly younger people. About 80% of what they sing is country, 15% classic rock, and the rest some newer pop stuff. Rap just doesn't get requested. I don't censor my song selection at all. All bars here are "supposed" to be non-smoking now but very few are. It's simply not enforced.

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Re: Buying music

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Bigdog wrote:Well the stricter DUI laws aren't helping attendance either...

Ok here is a question for the CAlifornia KJs.... Since it's all no smoking at every bar....is the attendance even at all the bars between smokers and nonsmokers... Does one type of entertainment draw more than another? What is the most popular form of entertainment?
8) stricter DUI laws do have an effect, drinkers don't stay as late at bars and tend to frequent watering holes closer to home. Some lucky bars have smoking rooms that were grandfathered in, now they are not allowed. Smokers are in the minority now, I would say that somewhere between 20 to 30 percent of the patrons still smoke. Many have quit and some have just died off. Especially the WWII generation which were some of the most die hard smokers. My Dad's generation Lucky Strike hard core cough in the morning smokers. Of course this is California where everyone is into health foods and exercising.

At least in my area Karaoke is still king, there are some 50's style rock bands and of course country bands and line dancing. Then again I live in a retirement town and such activities still work as long as the baby boomers are pumping money into the local economy. Once this generation passes away it is anybody's guess what will happen next. The reason karaoke is still big is cost as compared to a band. There really isn't much as far as DJ work is concerned but I would imagine some enterprising DJ could make some business around here. The few DJ's that are here focus on weddings. I used to do quite well with special events using the DJ format, Halloween, October fest, and of course St. Patrick's Day. I forgot to include New Year's sorry for the oversight.

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Re: Buying music

Post by wiseguy » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:02 pm

Whenever I run into someone who I haven't seen out in the bars for awhile nearly always the first reason they give is "I can't afford a DUI". Getting a DUI is serious business. Even if it's your first offense you immediately lose your drivers license until you go to court... then you will lose them for a year if you don't agree to have ignition interlock device with a breathalyzer installed in your car... take a course in safe driving... pay for all these things plus court costs. By the time you're done you have about $4,000 and a lot of time invested.

To top it off getting a DUI is ridiculously easy. If you drink just two beers within an hours time, and get tested within 30 minutes of finishing the last one, you will most likely fail the test. I've actually witnessed this happen. I'm all for keeping drunk drivers of the road but there are a lot of people getting DUI's who are not impaired.

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Re: Buying music

Post by The Lone Ranger » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:23 pm

Just $4,000.00 in California it's closer to $7,000.00, not to mention you lose your license for over a year first time out and you face mandatory jail time. If you cause an accident or property damage the misdemeanor gets bumped up to a felony. That is something no one needs on their record. If you can get insurance you are going to pay through the nose for it.

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Re: Buying music

Post by Bigdog » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:12 pm

Ok...three replies... Yes the DUI fines are at least $5000 by the time you pay a lawyer and everything else...ignition interlock is at least $1200 to install and $1200 to have it uninstalled. I know people the reregistered all the vehicle titles to the wife's name to get around that. Because I'm pretty sure the interlock has to be installed on every vehicle you own... At one time I had 5 vehicles in my name.

I get young people that expressly look for the swearing songs...which I have eliminated...

About 23-25 % of the population smokes nationally. Figure they each have a $200 a month habit....may as well be heroin...it has the same physical effects on the body...it just takes a little longer to get that bad......

I still say the crappy economy is having a huge effect on crowd size...
How busy are your weeknight jobs?

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Re: Buying music

Post by Bigdog » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:16 pm

I had 25 singers last Saturday, about 40 people altogether and 18 singers on Tuesday....but there were only 20 people total. These are nonsmoking bars....the owners strictly enforce that.... There are fines involved if you let people smoke.

I can not believe in California that they aren't very strict about enforcement.

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Re: Buying music

Post by The Lone Ranger » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:39 pm

Bigdog wrote:I had 25 singers last Saturday, about 40 people altogether and 18 singers on Tuesday....but there were only 20 people total. These are nonsmoking bars....the owners strictly enforce that.... There are fines involved if you let people smoke.

I can not believe in California that they aren't very strict about enforcement.
8) I don't see where in any of my posts, I said California is not serious about strict enforcement of the anti-smoking laws? I only said that a few places have smoking rooms due to a grandfather clause situation, it is no longer allowed. The State Lawmakers are also considering a ban on all outside smoking areas, as well. If they get rid of outside smoking areas, I would think they would also eliminate these inside smoking rooms. I haven't done a steady show for almost two years now. Singers averaged about 20 to 40 on a rotation. When you get into the 30 plus area most singers lose interest. Your short attention span scenario Bigdog. I really never paid attention to how many singers I had since I was not paid per head. I was always more concerned with how full the entire bar was, especially the bar area, that is where the real money is made.

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Re: Buying music

Post by The Lone Ranger » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:49 pm

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I still say the crappy economy is having a huge effect on crowd size...
How busy are your weeknight jobs?
8) While the economy has not fully recovered to pre-crash levels it is only part of the drop in the attendance equation. Demographics, changes in technology, changes in tastes as far as entertainment is concerned, etc. etc. etc. Even Monday Night Football is not the money maker it used to be. More and More people are electing to stay home with their Big Screen T.V's and surround sound. Drinking their store bought beer and eating their own buffalo wings and other hand foods. It's cheaper, safer and the wife knows where the husband is at and what he is doing. Also she makes sure he's off to work the next morning and he still has his car to get to work with. Women are always more practical than men, always.

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Re: Buying music

Post by wiseguy » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:53 pm

Bigdog wrote:Ok...three replies... Yes the DUI fines are at least $5000 by the time you pay a lawyer and everything else...ignition interlock is at least $1200 to install and $1200 to have it uninstalled. I know people the reregistered all the vehicle titles to the wife's name to get around that. Because I'm pretty sure the interlock has to be installed on every vehicle you own... At one time I had 5 vehicles in my name.

I get young people that expressly look for the swearing songs...which I have eliminated...

About 23-25 % of the population smokes nationally. Figure they each have a $200 a month habit....may as well be heroin...it has the same physical effects on the body...it just takes a little longer to get that bad......

I still say the crappy economy is having a huge effect on crowd size...
How busy are your weeknight jobs?
Here the interlock must be installed on any vehicle you drive. It costs $200 to install and $200 to uninstall. You have to take it into a check station once per month to have the info downloaded from it and to have it recalibrated. That costs $150 each time.

The young people I get look for songs that are popular with the crowd. They like applause not shock value. I did have one guy who would show up once in a while and sing Adam Sandler's "Piece of Shit Car" which always got a few laughs.

Currently about 18% of American adults smoke. Smoking actually kills 10 times as many people as all drugs combined. But you can guess why it will never be illegal.

It depends on the area you're in, but in general the economy is in the best shape it's been in for 10 years. Locally the economy is booming with the influx of the Marcellus shale workers. There isn't an empty motel room, apartment, or house to be found. Every camping space has a camper in it. All the restaurants and stores have help wanted signs posted. But... the bars are still not doing well.

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Re: Buying music

Post by The Lone Ranger » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:58 am

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It depends on the area you're in, but in general the economy is in the best shape it's been in for 10 years. Locally the economy is booming with the influx of the Marcellus shale workers. There isn't an empty motel room, apartment, or house to be found. Every camping space has a camper in it. All the restaurants and stores have help wanted signs posted. But... the bars are still not doing well.
8) It is surprising that your area is still booming since the bottom has fallen out of the energy market and energy companies profits are down. Saudi Arabia is still pumping at it's usual rate, despite the price per barrel is still between 50 and 40 dollars. It is true that unemployment is down to 5.1% nationally, but the actual rate may be higher since a large group of people have simply stopped looking, and are taken out of the total numbers. The economy is great for the 1% of the higher income families, an especially good for the 1/10th of 1% millionaire/billionaire class. Unfortunately where does that leave the rest of us the 99%?

We have lost over the last 30 to 40 years a large segment of our manufacturing base. Those union jobs paid real wages and had valuable benefits paid to workers for their labor. They have been replaced by non union low pay service sector jobs. A person has to work several jobs just to stay afloat, Young families don't have the money to go to bars, they need to buy food and take care of their children, that is if they are responsible. The minimum wage if it were adjusted for inflation would be about 15.00 per hour. Real wages for most middle class families have been flat lined for almost 30 years now. While the 1% group have doubled their real income when adjusted for inflation. One thing that needs to be done is to establish a national minimum wage and adjust it for inflation like they do for Social Security. In that way we would know that all share in the improvement of the economy not just a few select well connected individuals. " A rising tide is supposed to lift all boats", according to John F. Kennedy.

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Re: Buying music

Post by wiseguy » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:28 am

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8) It is surprising that your area is still booming since the bottom has fallen out of the energy market and energy companies profits are down. Saudi Arabia is still pumping at it's usual rate, despite the price per barrel is still between 50 and 40 dollars. It is true that unemployment is down to 5.1% nationally, but the actual rate may be higher since a large group of people have simply stopped looking, and are taken out of the total numbers. The economy is great for the 1% of the higher income families, an especially good for the 1/10th of 1% millionaire/billionaire/trillionaire class. Unfortunately where does that leave the rest of us the 99%?

We have lost over the last 30 to 40 years a large segment of our manufacturing base. Those union jobs paid real wages and had valuable benefits paid to workers for their labor. They have been replaced by non union low pay service sector jobs. A person has to work several jobs just to stay afloat, Young families don't have the money to go to bars, they need to buy food and take care of their children, that is if they are responsible. The minimum wage if it were adjusted for inflation would be about 15.00 per hour. Real wages for most middle class families have been flat lined for almost 30 years now. While the 1% group have doubled their real income when adjusted for inflation. One thing that needs to be done is to establish a national minimum wage and adjust it for inflation like they do for Social Security. In that way we would know that all share in the improvement of the economy not just a few select well connected individuals. " A rising tide is supposed to lift all boats", according to John Kennedy.
Marcellus shale natural gas production is huge in the Eastern U.S. where the energy companies are pouring massive amounts of money into harvesting it. They are also giving people a lot of cash for their mineral rights.

As for the rest you are spot on with what is going on and what needs to happen. We really need Bernie Sanders in the White House and the Democrats need to win back the Senate.

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Re: Buying music

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As for the rest you are spot on with what is going on and what needs to happen. We really need Bernie Sanders in the White House and the Democrats need to win back the Senate.
8) If we don't start making things more even in this country we are going to go the way of France and Russia when they were monarchies. In both cases only a small class of society benefited from the wealth of the country. The vast majority lived in abject poverty, this situation finally boiled over into revolutions in both countries. What the wealthy don't realize is that you can abuse the people for just so long and then when things get really bad watch out. One thing I agree with Sanders is you can't be strong militarily unless you are strong economically at home.

I feel we should be watchful of overseas situations, use diplomacy and if necessary build alliances for world peace. We cannot be the policeman for the entire world. At one time that was the role of Great Britain when they were a world empire. It ended up breaking them financially. The pound was the world currency before the dollar replaced it.

At home we should repair our crumbling roads, bridges,dams, schools, water, sewer, and improve our outdated power grid. We should invest in renewable energy sources for the day we run out of fossil fuels, which we should get off, to stop CO2 admissions, that are killing our planet, we only have one. Also we should make college affordable to all who wish to attend, and provide trade schools like they do in Europe for those who want a skill or valuable trade.

Back in 1934 a Socialist under the banner of the Democrat Party, ran for Governor of California Upton Sinclair, the author of "The Jungle", a book about the horrible working conditions in the meat packing industry in Chicago cira 1906. That was during the height of The Great Depression, he didn't win mainly because all of the powerful special interests were terrified that he might. He did get more than a million votes which put a scare in both the Republicans and the Democrats. There is a story that all the 1%'s during the Depression went to FDR and asked him what is was trying to do? He was giving away the store and after all he was one of them. It was Ford, Rockefeller and other Titans of industry, this was in New York City and they were up in meeting room that overlooked the street. FDR wheeled his chair over to the window, pulled back the curtain and they all saw the people waiting in line for bread and soup. FDR said "I'm trying to keep them from going Communist and taking everything away from you".

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