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Post by CORVETTE »

As I said above. Have you thought that your defeatist attitude may come across when you do your gigs. People come out to be entertained and make them forget their troubles. Unless you are like Jekyll & Hyde this must be to your detriment


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You can't complain about corporate greed and then support a candidate who is the definition of it. Romney and the Republican party would continue to allow insurance companies to gouge us and further reduce regulations that let them make outrageous profits off of human suffering.

Why do you continue to say that people will pay the penalty and still not have health insurance? THAT IS THE POINT OF THE PENALTY. It's there to penalize those who CAN AFFORD to buy health insurance but REFUSE TO. You say you don't want to flip the bill for others expenses but you don't seem to mind flipping the bill for people who don't need help.

You very obviously have not read the health care act or you would be much better informed on what it is about. But then, with all those conspiracy theories swimming around in your head, I doubt that you would be able to comprehend it.
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I paid very close attention to what they were saying about the bill.

The option rate isn't the same amount of money. Your insurance will cost more than the penalty. The penalty is their opt out option so they can say and give the ILLUSION of offering you AFFORDABLE healthcare... :lol:

Companies will be given an option to provide healthcare for their workers at this rate or not provide it and pay a penatly at a lower rate.

Now that doesn't take a geneious to figure out the bean counters will opt for paying a lesser amount. It all comes down to the bottom line.

Individuals will have the same option depending on their income. Buy insurance at this rate or pay a penalty at the smaller rate. They have written the law to force your participation whether you have insurance or now. They are going to say "well at least we gave you the opton to decide for yourself." You didn't pick to be insured...

If it comes down to eating or buying insurance...what will 99.9999999999999% of the population pick?

People that have "Cadillac plans" or other employer provided plans....will be taxed on the value of those plans because it will be considered part of your income. Causing you to come up with thousands of dollars every year as your tax penalty for having employer provider healthcare.

As I said....when it hits in 2014..(they started then to keep it out of everyones head and clouded with other issues) you will get smacked in the head with the realisation that you have to now figure out how to pay the increased tax penalty EVERY YEAR...regardless of if you have insurance or not. And I predict that more people will have to stay uninsured in order to eat and keep a roof over their heads.

I don't want to pay for anyone that is perfectly capable of working but refuses to do so by taking undeserved welfare or illegal aliens that should be in jail for breaking the law by entering our country illegally. PERIOD.

As I said...the 55 million people that voted for keeping healthcare by voting for Oblamo (the great blamer) have been fed a line of BS. You fell for it now 350 million people will have to suffer the consequences of being uninformed or ignorant of the actual healthcare facts. It's another tax that he PROMISED he would not give the middle class. Oppps just another campaign promise broken.

I guess we'll find out in 14 months who is right. My money is on me.

The Supreme Court ruled it is a TAX. If it smalls like a tax and looks like a tax and tastes like a tax...it must be a tax. I love being FORCED to spend my hard earned money to support losers and lazy people and ones that know how to work the system. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.


As far as the quality of my shows....There isn't anyone in my area that doesn't know who the top dog is as far as karaoke goes. I can't entertain people that aren't there because they have no money. It's only going to get worse....Again the voters were fed BS. The economy is not getting better. We still have banks failing. We still have 25% unemployment. (real Numbers) We still have home foreclosures. We still have a flip flop stock market. Europe is still on a banana peel as are we. We still have 16 TRILLION dollars in debt and climbing.....We still have to repay with higher taxes....But everything will be better because 350 million people still can't afford to pay the healthcare tax...

2014 will see the end of karaoke and DJs and bands....Do we go out or pay our healthcare tax (and still can't afford healthcare) or do we have fun spending our food money at karaoke? Or go to jail for not paying our taxes. Remember....they added so many more people at the IRS....That's to collect their money better. And you know when you can't pay on time they add on penalties and interest too. You'll have to pay it every year....not just once in your lifetime...EVERY YEAR. That is why I'm pissed. That is why we should have voted for Romney....he said he would repeal the bill ...we could have worked on a new one. But no...55 million stupid voters stuck it up 300 million peoples >>>>sideways...forever........

Not once in our history has a tax ever be taken away....we just keep getting more and more added on.

And don't forget you just voted for CAP & TRADE to kill the coal & oil industry. You just voted to pay more for GREEN electricity & curly light bulbs that are an environmental disaster (major hazmat event) if you break one......CAP & TRADE IS ANOTHER TAX.....you'll pay TAX on everything made from oil....which includes everything that comes in a PLASTIC container....Gee does anyone use plastic...I can't think of one plastic item in the entire world. Plastic and oil related products are in everything we use. So....55 million people just dipped into my wallet again to FORCE me to pay more taxes....FOREVER....

99% of our food and drinks comes in plastic....Over 50% of your vehicle is plastic. Carpet is made from oil....computers are made from oil...Cars are made from oil. They all run on oil...clothing is made from oil...natural gas comes from oil...oil related stuff is in EVERYTHING.....that means you'll pay an extra TAX on everything...EVEN FOOD because of the CONTAINER it comes in....

HOPE & CHANGE will become..."Hey Buddy...I hope you can give me some change...so I can eat..." The entire country is screwed.

It's only a matter of time before they will add a HUGE tax to pay off the NATIONAL DEBT....bet it happens within the next 4 years....

Karaoke will be dead....because people will be FORCED to use all the money they don't have to survive day to day. There will be no money for fun. We are going back to the Great Depression days. We will get to experience all the things Grama told you about first hand. It's going to be so much fun....Your kids will thank you FOREVER...300 million people will thank you FOREVER...

55 million people really should have used their head before they voted...don't forget when it happens...you voted for it and it effects you the same way it effects me.

It's going to be renamed the UNAFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT ....mark my words....

Another great effect from your vote the first time (4 years ago)...all the wonderful $7 an hour jobs that were created...you didn't actually vote for the $7 an hour jobs...they just happened as result..

The workers at Walmart love their new income bracket...Now instead of having one real good paying job....people get to work 2 or 3 to make ends meet. Corporate greed run Walmart....they don't care if the stuff comes from CHINAS middle class workers...if they could import Chinese workers to sell the stuff for $2 a day ...they would...

Hey if you can't live on $7 an hour...we can always cut you hours....until you quit...NEXT... :twisted: SUCKER....

Wait you want to unionize because you want us to pay you a living wage...you want us to treat you like a human being....you actually want to have money left over to eat....What were you thinking when you came here for a job? Did you actually think it was worth working here? We sell slave labor items...daaaaahhhh :roll:

It's disquised as HOPE & CHANGE...don't worry you'll like and fall for it again and again... :twisted:

There are big consequences coming for your uninformed 55 million votes. Some we have seen already many more are hidden for now....but soon to be revealed...a drip at a time so you don't really notice it...till it hits you in the head and steals your wallet.

Get real familiar with the Beatles song....coz you'll be singing it FOREVER...

I'm going to start singing at every show..... :lol:
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Bigdog wrote:I paid very close attention to what they were saying about the bill.
And herein lies the problem. The "THEY" you're referring to is the conservative media who place opinion above fact. You obviously didn't get any of this from the independent fact checkers, or by actually reading the bill, because your statements are so far off.

I have read and studied the health care bill thoroughly and have consulted the findings of independent fact checkers on questionable points. I know what's in the bill without getting the information from a biased media.

Are you a member of the Tea Party? If not you really should be. Your "I want mine and screw everybody else" attitude certainly fits right into their credo.

And with that I will leave you to your alternate reality and conspiracy paranoia. I'm done with this thread.
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There is so much spin coming out of Washington the entire country is getting sucked into it like a black hole.

They lined up all their ducks to pull off this giant deception and it worked. The avergae citizen fell for it hook line and sinker.

Watch all the crying that will be coming....millions will be paying money they don't have. For healthcare they won't get.

Anytime, anyone from Washington said this is good for you...WE GOT SCREWED. And that will never change.

My advice is pray you never get sick.
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Bigdog wrote: My advice is pray you never get sick.
Interesting terminology, that I remember not so long ago over here in the UK.

As far as I can tell, your Republican party is the equivalent of our Conservatives and Democrats are kinda similar to our Labour party.

I say "kinda" since the US of A is so paranoid about anything even slightly backing Socialist tendencies, I doubt the Democrats would agree.

However, what I'll say straight up is that I AM a Socialist and have been all my life.

I was born in the 1950's when healthcare for all first came about in Britain and rapidly became the envy of the civilised world and I DO include America in that statement.

This was based on a simple concept "them that earned the most, paid the most" based on a percentage of your income (if you were fortunate enough to have such).

Unfortunately, greed is a powerful force and those that had most of the money decided they couldn't possibly get by on their exhobitant incomes and tried to avoid paying their due taxes (sorry, I know tax is a dirty word over your side of the pond).

So what we have over here is someone like Mick Jagger, who makes millions a year but pays probably less in income tax than I do.

Does that sound fair to you Bigdog? 'Cause it doesn't to me.

Anyway, back to healthcare and the joy that is our highly right wing Conservative party.

This bunch of very rich individuals have systematically bled the once vaunted National Health Service dry of funding simply because they can afford private health care.

I am addicted to one of your TV shows called "The Newsroom" and the 3rd episode concerned itself with your Tea Party, the policies of which I most easily associate with the "Witch of the Western World", Margaret Thatcher, an utter harridon of a woman who basically had the balls of her cabinet ministers in her purse.

She epitomised the "Greed is good" mentality and basically decimated British industry, as well as killing off the National Health Service.

Your statement is apropos, with one small alteration;

"My advice is pray you never get sick if you're poor"

Sandy.
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I don't think it's right that rich people should pay a lesser tax rate than I do.

Something is still worng with this argument.

The meer fact that they included a "penalty clause" for anyone that doesn't buy healthcare is wrong and indicates that the insurance is going to cost a small fortune.

So you'll be able to support the rest of the country by just paying the penalty and you still won't have healthcare... If that sounds right to anyone...you're not getting it.

Corporations can skip providing employees healthcare by opting to pay a lesser amount as a penalty.... Was that Romneys idea? Who took care of big business? Just pay the penalty and let (workers) them worry about their own healthcare. Sounds perfectly fair to me. If you are lucky enough to have employer provided healthcare you can pay tax on it like it's part of your income. That sounds fair. So I still pay a penalty probably at a higher rate than the average person.....That sounds fair. That will teach me to have a good employer...

I'm not for providing insurance or any other compensation to DEAD BEATS that refuse to work even though they can.

The law could have been written better.

How about ....This is what healthcare providers will have to pay out to take care of everyone. Divide that by the number of people and each pays... Make all insurance companies non profit. That ends their corporate greed. Keeps costs really low. When you reach 70 years old we just take you out and kill you. So as not to put a strain on the system. I can come up with a bunch of ideas.

How about if you came here illegally you don't get insurance or healthcare. And you go to jail and your family pays to keep you.

How about a flat tax or a National sales tax.

I wonder how much the deductables will be when the law takes effect? On top of you penalty payment..
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mnementh wrote:
Bigdog wrote: My advice is pray you never get sick.
Interesting terminology, that I remember not so long ago over here in the UK.

As far as I can tell, your Republican party is the equivalent of our Conservatives and Democrats are kinda similar to our Labour party.

I say "kinda" since the US of A is so paranoid about anything even slightly backing Socialist tendencies, I doubt the Democrats would agree.

However, what I'll say straight up is that I AM a Socialist and have been all my life.

I was born in the 1950's when healthcare for all first came about in Britain and rapidly became the envy of the civilised world and I DO include America in that statement.

This was based on a simple concept "them that earned the most, paid the most" based on a percentage of your income (if you were fortunate enough to have such).

Unfortunately, greed is a powerful force and those that had most of the money decided they couldn't possibly get by on their exhobitant incomes and tried to avoid paying their due taxes (sorry, I know tax is a dirty word over your side of the pond).

So what we have over here is someone like Mick Jagger, who makes millions a year but pays probably less in income tax than I do.

Does that sound fair to you Bigdog? 'Cause it doesn't to me.

Anyway, back to healthcare and the joy that is our highly right wing Conservative party.

This bunch of very rich individuals have systematically bled the once vaunted National Health Service dry of funding simply because they can afford private health care.

I am addicted to one of your TV shows called "The Newsroom" and the 3rd episode concerned itself with your Tea Party, the policies of which I most easily associate with the "Witch of the Western World", Margaret Thatcher, an utter harridon of a woman who basically had the balls of her cabinet ministers in her purse.

She epitomised the "Greed is good" mentality and basically decimated British industry, as well as killing off the National Health Service.

Your statement is apropos, with one small alteration;

"My advice is pray you never get sick if you're poor"

Sandy.
Some very astute observations you have here. Whether it be Capitalism or Socialism the richest among us will never think themselves rich enough.

While I think most Americans do not want a fully socialistic society, only the Tea Party and other Republicans on the extreme right consider socialism as evil. However this doesn't prevent them from participating in our social programs if they need them.

I don't know if you have followed this past election, or why you would even want to, but I think it was the most important election of my lifetime. The Tea Party has some very wealthy backers and they have been buying elections at the state level. They attempted to buy the Presidency and some key Senate seats but were refused my an informed American majority.

President Obama has succeeded in doing what no other President has been able to do. He has moved us in the direction of the rest of the civilized world by taking a big step toward universal health care. The plan isn't perfect but it's a beginning. Of course the conservatives are screaming foul.

Bigdog's ramblings are indicative of what you will hear from the Tea Party and other extremists. His statements have no basis in fact and are the result of lies and misinformation being spread by the conservative media. The Republicans proudly boast that they won't let facts interfere with what they believe.
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Any deviation in coarse from the middle of the road be it too far left or too far right...isn't good.

Why is it that every Democrat I talk to says the Republicans are communists?

Socialism/communism are failed ideas. The countries with the biggest financial problems happen to be socialist. Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Greece, France, Spain......These are the policies I see being pushed by the Democrats.

It is mathematically impossible for a minority to support the masses with money and handouts. Look who's failing economically. We are in the same boat and it's called the Titanic.

16 trillion in debt and climbing will never be a good thing for our country. Does anyone see a way out? Raise my taxes...that will fix it. Keep printing money with nothing to back it but a promise...that will do it.

Keep spending and giving....that will fix it....


The reason Social Security and Medicare were gutted is because the master plan is hope everyone dies from lack of healthcare. We can't afford it. The deductables will go up...the fees will go up...costs will go up...

NOTHING ever goes down...in cost.

The only thing that they succeeded in lowering is the living wage... Which is an oxymoron...nobody will be able to live on $7 an hour ever again...

A service oriented country which is what we now have....will not survive. We need the heavy manufacturing jobs that went to CHINA. We don't need 350 million doctors or lawyers or plumbers or auto mechanics or burger flippers. You can not export any of those skills. We now export only 8% of anything we make. That means we rely on importing 92% of the inferior crap made by China and other third world countries..NOBODY has the quality that Americans used to produce. Our heavy manfacturing capability is gone forever...and our middle class...we are going backwards. We are heading towards becoming a third world country. Look at our standing in the world. Many other countries have passed us by. We continue to fall behind.

92% of our money goes to help increase the income of foreign countries while ours continues down the road to bankruptcy. Our economy will never grow with an 8% export number.

HUGE Debt and out of control spending and free hand outs will destroy us. If you ran your personal finances like they are running the government...you'll be bankrupt. It's a failure in the making.

The great Blamer and campaign promise breaker....isn't doing the country any favors. The world is laughing at us as we spiral down in political standing...our economical standing and our world power standing. We have become a laughing stock....fodder for jokes and ridicule...bow down now...

We are losing more of our rights and privileges daily.

We have the right to remain silent and pay more for less...

If Democrats have so much extra money to just give away...I'll insert my address and they can all start mailing me their surplus money. I'll take good care of it....I promise...and don't forget I'm now a minority...so don't discriminate against me...GIVE ME MY FREE STUFF...Democrats are paying for it...I deserve it....I just quit my job....and I don't want to work or contribute to society anymore. I want to be a drain on society...watch me twirl...weeeeee...and I'm giving up my citizenship...that should move me to the top of the line for FREE STUFF..
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Gee....I don't see a problem here...

http://www.ufcw324.org/Current_Events/N ... ion_Years/


The average Walmart worker earns just $8.81 an hour. At that wage, the union-backed Making Change at Walmart campaign calculates that a Walmart worker would need:

7 million years to earn as much wealth as the Walton family has (presuming the worker doesn't spend anything)

170,000 years to earn as much money as the Walton family receives annually in Walmart dividends



Good thing we will have a good healthcare plan to keep them alive this long... :lol:
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Wow...

I haven't been on here in a while and it seems the forum has evolved into a political discussion about the economy and how it relates to the karaoke nightlife business.

Bigdog appears to be on the red team while Wiseguy appears to be on the blue team. I have long ago stepped back from that matrix and see them both as the same team. You could say I am on the Green team, I voted for Jill Stein, who was kept off the ballot in my state (I had to write her in) and the Greens in general are kept from the public eye and discourse through collusion by both democrats and republicans - and their MIC (Military Industrial Complex or Made In China, take your pick) masters.

Obama strikes me as a typical Nixonian republican and as far as i can see, corporate-controlled moderate republicanism has simply moved from the red party to the blue party, while its basic course of worldwide interventionism on behalf of mega-corp intersts continues unabated.

The economy is in the shitter because of the money we spend on so-called "defense" and the interest burden to carry that expense. Jill would have ended these bullshit wars, brought the troops home and used the savings to provide public education up to the "14th" grade (community college). A smarter populace earns more, spends more, simple. And her Green New Deal would have focused funds into renewable energy which - because free energy is cheaper than fossil fuels - would make our dwindling manufacturing base more competitive.

You are both right about the consequences of red-blue policies - money is drying up for everything but the wars and the MIC - neither party wants to cut "defense" to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff, they simply argue about where to raise it...more drones? more battleships? Both?

How this all shakes down to our beloved karaoke business is that Ameritards have almost no choice but to bury their heads in the sands of their dumbphones and high dumbination TVs...pop in a dollar redbluebox DVD and shutthehellup.

I too am down to three gigs a week - for a grand total of $350 notGreenbacks a week. I am opening up a coffeeshop/art gallery/music store in Shallotte midway between Myrtle and Wilmington where I will have a fourth karaoke show once a week, provide karaoke recording sessions, sell obsolescent music media , teach guitar to those few kids not completely consumed by video games, and perhaps move a painting or two. I just got married, and my lovely wife Wendy kicks into the pot as a med tech in a nursing home. We r getting by.

Look, I dig you guys - wiseguy and bigdog - and have very much enjoyed your banter and sincerely wish you the best. But - just like your respective parties - you have to evolve or the world will roll by you. And whether you do so or not, please try to enjoy each day. Regardless of the economy or which tool of the true big dogs is in the White House, we only get a limited amount of mornings to wake up to.

SOOO....Merry Christwannzachhuh to you all! LIVE AND LET ROCK! };=D
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