The Lone Ranger wrote: There is really little or no voter fraud. Think about it you are going to wait in line and risk getting a 5 year prison term and a $10,000.00 fine just to cast one vote, I think not. The whole reason these laws were passed is because the Republicans could no longer win fair and square and had to rig the system. Let's face it the demographics of this country is changing and the minorities will be the majority by 2050.
You're talking about people that are already criminals that have no documentation and no reason to be here.. Yes they are really scared of getting caught... Nothing will happen to them anyway...
This is how and why Trump will win....normal people know our president wears panties..
Just because the current President refrains from nuking the whole world doesn't mean that he is wearing silk under garments. After all he got Osama when Bush II just talked about it. The people who were hurt most of all by the new voting requirements were people of color that had a hard time getting proper identification. What gets me is a NRA card is id and a student card isn't. That is because young college students are more likely to vote Democrat. Trump hasn't got a prayer to win the general election, he has alienated too many groups. The Republicans have to get 40% of the Hispanic vote to win. They will not vote for someone who says they are all criminals, rapists etc. etc. etc.
Bigdog wrote:This article sums it all up...short explanation... People under 50 have no clue what socialism is or means... Young people see and hear FREE stuff and they go dumb and blind...Hitler would love to be in the race because he would win..
I'm a little confused Bigdog why would Hitler love to be in this race? Oh you mean Trump is in it and he happens to be a Nationalist who believes in single payer health care a socialist position like Sanders. I guess that would make him a National Socialist, oh that's right, that is what a Nazi is right?
The Lone Ranger wrote: There is really little or no voter fraud. Think about it you are going to wait in line and risk getting a 5 year prison term and a $10,000.00 fine just to cast one vote, I think not. The whole reason these laws were passed is because the Republicans could no longer win fair and square and had to rig the system. Let's face it the demographics of this country is changing and the minorities will be the majority by 2050.
You're talking about people that are already criminals that have no documentation and no reason to be here.. Yes they are really scared of getting caught... Nothing will happen to them anyway...
This is how and why Trump will win....normal people know our president wears panties..
This is exactly why you're so misinformed and willfully ignorant of the truth. You seek out sites, like the conservative propaganda sites you linked to, because they validate what you WANT to believe... facts be damned. Just like with the ebola virus scare when you were convinced we were all doomed because you could find some sites that supported your paranoia. Of course you were eventually proven wrong just like you will be again. FACTS and years of investigation PROVE that voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. After a thorough investigation of one billion cast votes just 31 incidents of fraud were discovered.
Trump will never, ever, even come close to being president. Americans, the intelligent ones anyway, are tired of war. They've had enough of their loved ones being sent to be killed or injured. And f#ck Charlie Daniels and everyone else who would have us use military force every time another country looks at us cross eyed. Our president has the ability to get things done without putting our troops in harms way. He stopped the Iran nuclear problem without firing a shot and he got those sailors released quickly with just a phone call.
What Bigdog doesn't realize is originally Republicans were for expanding the vote about 10 or 15 years ago. In their arrogance they believed that the majority of voters sided with them. What they found out was the larger the voter turn out, the more it favored the Democrats. They did an about face and all of the progressive voting acts they passed have now been reversed.
The Lone Ranger wrote:What Bigdog doesn't realize is originally Republicans were for expanding the vote about 10 or 15 years ago. In their arrogance they believed that the majority of voters sided with them. What they found out was the larger the voter turn out, the more it favored the Democrats. They did an about face and all of the progressive voting acts they passed have now been reversed.
There are a lot of things that Bigdog doesn't realize. He is stereotypical of the republican base that doesn't like the way things are going but have been duped into placing the blame in the wrong places. Duped into believing that it's the poor and undocumented immigrants who are to blame for our country's woes. Duped into hanging onto the trickle down economics fallacy. And yes... duped into believing that voter fraud is an actual problem instead of a conservative ploy to prevent certain American citizens from voting.
wiseguy wrote:
There are a lot of things that Bigdog doesn't realize. He is stereotypical of the republican base that doesn't like the way things are going but have been duped into placing the blame in the wrong places. Duped into believing that it's the poor and undocumented immigrants who are to blame for our country's woes. Duped into hanging onto the trickle down economics fallacy. And yes... duped into believing that voter fraud is an actual problem instead of a conservative ploy to prevent certain American citizens from voting.
The most illogical thing to me wiseguy is why Conservatives vote against their own economic self interests? They are not the elite 1% and yet they want to support policies that divide this country and make the rich even richer. So rich they can literally buy our government, corrupting our democracy. The power of money is self evident except for Trump who doesn't need their money, and Sanders who is supported by the people, all of the political hacks are in the pocket of wealthy backers and their lobbyists. The reason trickle down doesn't work is because it assumes that the wealthy will reinvest their tax cuts in creating jobs. This is not going to happen since most of that money can be and is invested overseas, creating jobs in the third world. That is why so much money is sitting off shore in banks, because the wealthy don't want to bring it back unless they can do so tax free. Bigdog talks about being slaves of the State, is it better to be the slaves of large corporations and big money interests? At least with the state you get something for your taxes, with the rich you only get the scraps they are willing to toss you, like the people are some kind of hound dog that gets a bone once in awhile. Now the rich even want the dogs bone and say that Social Security and Medicare is too much. This is just the way things were in both France and Russia just beofe the Revolutions in those countries.
wiseguy wrote:
There are a lot of things that Bigdog doesn't realize. He is stereotypical of the republican base that doesn't like the way things are going but have been duped into placing the blame in the wrong places. Duped into believing that it's the poor and undocumented immigrants who are to blame for our country's woes. Duped into hanging onto the trickle down economics fallacy. And yes... duped into believing that voter fraud is an actual problem instead of a conservative ploy to prevent certain American citizens from voting.
The most illogical thing to me wiseguy is why Conservatives vote against their own economic self interests? They are not the elite 1% and yet they want to support policies that divide this country and make the rich even richer. So rich they can literally buy our government, corrupting our democracy. The power of money is self evident except for Trump who doesn't need their money, and Sanders who is supported by the people, all of the political hacks are in the pocket of wealthy backers and their lobbyists. The reason trickle down doesn't work is because it assumes that the wealthy will reinvest their tax cuts in creating jobs. This is not going to happen since most of that money can be and is invested overseas, creating jobs in the third world. That is why so much money is sitting off shore in banks, because the wealthy don't want to bring it back unless they can do so tax free. Bigdog talks about being slaves of the State, is it better to be the slaves of large corporations and big money interests? At least with the state you get something for your taxes, with the rich you only get the scraps they are willing to toss you, like the people are some kind of hound dog that gets a bone once in awhile. Now the rich even want the dogs bone and say that Social Security and Medicare is too much. This is just the way things were in both France and Russia just beofe the Revolutions in those countries.
It's illogical to any rationally thinking person. A huge percentage of conservatives are undereducated, misinformed, and willfully ignorant. I say "willfully" ignorant because the truth is easily found if you take the time to look for it. Instead they allow liars like Trump, and fake news sources like Fox, dictate their reality. It's sort of like religion in the sense that the right convinces them of imaginary problems and then tells them they have the cure.
Conservatives may bitch and complain about the economy, but when it comes time to vote, Jesus, guns, and people they hate, are their top priorities.
wiseguy wrote:
There are a lot of things that Bigdog doesn't realize. He is stereotypical of the republican base that doesn't like the way things are going but have been duped into placing the blame in the wrong places. Duped into believing that it's the poor and undocumented immigrants who are to blame for our country's woes. Duped into hanging onto the trickle down economics fallacy. And yes... duped into believing that voter fraud is an actual problem instead of a conservative ploy to prevent certain American citizens from voting.
The most illogical thing to me wiseguy is why Conservatives vote against their own economic self interests? They are not the elite 1% and yet they want to support policies that divide this country and make the rich even richer. So rich they can literally buy our government, corrupting our democracy. The power of money is self evident except for Trump who doesn't need their money, and Sanders who is supported by the people, all of the political hacks are in the pocket of wealthy backers and their lobbyists. The reason trickle down doesn't work is because it assumes that the wealthy will reinvest their tax cuts in creating jobs. This is not going to happen since most of that money can be and is invested overseas, creating jobs in the third world. That is why so much money is sitting off shore in banks, because the wealthy don't want to bring it back unless they can doin
so tax free. Bigdog talks about being slaves of the State, is it better to be the slaves of large corporations and big money interests? At least with the state you get something for your taxes, with the rich you only get the scraps they are willing to toss you, like the people are some kind of hound dog that gets a bone once in awhile. Now the rich even want the dogs bone and say that Social Security and Medicare is too much. This is just the way things were in both France and Russia just beofe the Revolutions in those countries.
It's illogical to any rationally thinking person. A huge percentage of conservatives are undereducated, misinformed, and willfully ignorant. I say "willfully" ignorant because the truth is easily found if you take the time to look for it. Instead they allow liars like Trump, and fake news sources like Fox, dictate their reality. It's sort of like religion in the sense that the right convinces them of imaginary problems and then tells them they have the cure.
Conservatives may bitch and complain about the economy, but when it comes time to vote, Jesus, guns, and people they hate, are their top priorities.
You forgot the economy and national security and trillions in debt and lack of good paying middle class jobs that were shipped to China....It's the democrats (which is the majority of the government) that are buying votes with the unfettered entry of illegal aliens and the massive amounts of FREE government handouts. "Look what give you, vote for us and you'll keeping getting more undeserved free stuff" but at what cost and who has to pay for all of it.
Big "O" had seven years to do something to end the second Greatest Depression and we still have nothing going into the future....still aren't blaming Bush yet are we?
Bigdog wrote:You forgot the economy and national security and trillions in debt and lack of good paying middle class jobs that were shipped to China....It's the democrats (which is the majority of the government) that are buying votes with the unfettered entry of illegal aliens and the massive amounts of FREE government handouts. "Look what give you, vote for us and you'll keeping getting more undeserved free stuff" but at what cost and who has to pay for all of it.
Big "O" had seven years to do something to end the second Greatest Depression and we still have nothing going into the future....still aren't blaming Bush yet are we?
You have to be the most misinformed person I have ever conversed with. Where do you come up with all this nonsense? Both the House and the Senate are controlled by Republicans so explain how Democrats are the "majority of the government". Show me one shred of verifiable evidence that illegal aliens are voting in numbers that could have any effect on any election. Just saying so don't make it so. Unfettered entry of illegal aliens? The entry of illegals entering the country has declined by a third over the past three years. It's obvious that the FACT that illegal aliens are not eligible for government assistance is never going to penetrate that bubble you live in.
It was a recession, not a depression that Bush caused back in 2008. And yes, I will continue blaming Bush because it was his administration that caused it. If that fact would somehow change I would then stop blaming Bush. Obama saved us from another great depression. Since Obama took office the economy has added nearly 7.9 million jobs... unemployment dropped from 7.8% to below 5%... business establishment start-ups have increased by 20%... corporate profits up by 182%. Every credible economist in the country agrees that we are much better off now then when Bush left office.
So next we'll have to raise minimum wage to $75 an hour ...yes...I'll have the $250 cheeseburger... And a large glass of commie coolaid..
Out of touch with reality is exactly how I'd have to classify you. Nobody is suggesting a minimum wage that would put everyone in the middle class bracket. They just want a minimum wage that will allow people to support their families without needing government assistance to do it. There is nothing unreasonable about that. You need to do some reality checks. The notion that raising the minimum wage will raise prices just doesn't hold water. There are real world examples in other countries. Australia for instance has a minimum wage of $16 per hour and the price of a Big Mac is less than in the US. And guess what... McDonald's still makes big profits.
That $250,000 is what they consider the very top of the middle class bracket and it is not out of line. Above that would be considered upper class.
Bigdog wrote:
You forgot the economy and national security and trillions in debt and lack of good paying middle class jobs that were shipped to China....It's the democrats (which is the majority of the government) that are buying votes with the unfettered entry of illegal aliens and the massive amounts of FREE government handouts. "Look what give you, vote for us and you'll keeping getting more undeserved free stuff" but at what cost and who has to pay for all of it.
Big "O" had seven years to do something to end the second Greatest Depression and we still have nothing going into the future....still aren't blaming Bush yet are we?
How is the Democrats the majority of the government? The Republicans won the last election and are now the majority, and they haven't done one thing to cut spending, look at the last budget worked out by Speaker Paul Ryan, the great election year compromise. As far a jobs leaving this country that started way back in 1973 and has been on going for 43 years now. It didn't make any difference what party was in power, since big money interests were supporting both sides against the middle class. Net result the demise of the middle class removing the only protection the wealthy have between them and the mob. The greed of business knows no restraint, they preach law and order and border security, and knowingly hire illegal workers on farms and factories in order to have a labor pool that can put unions in check. If a nation can be secure by buying stuff, we should be the most secure in the world since we pay ten times more on defense than our nearest rival. All of this massive spending has not made us any safer in the long run. I would rather trim the fat out of the Defense Department, and use the money to help our own people. This is coming from a Veteran, whose parents taught him what this country was like before we started being the policeman of the world. We have an obligation to participate globally not dominate. The only ones getting free stuff is big business in the hopes they will trickle down a few new jobs. The rest of us pay into the system and deserve a slice of the pie, the other side wants the whole pie and not even leave the poor a crust. Oh and the reason sales are down for Walmart is more and more people cannot even afford them and go to the 99 cent stores. This is the fault of bad political choices and deals made with the corporate devil.
So next we'll have to raise minimum wage to $75 an hour ...yes...I'll have the $250 cheeseburger... And a large glass of commie coolaid..
Commie Cool-aide, or Corporate Lemonade some choice. Before WWII about half the people lived on the farm and half lived in the cities. My own father lived during The Great Depression out in the country as well as my mother. He lived in Oklahoma and she lived in Texas. They raised their own food or caught or shot their supper. They had it good compared to people who lived in the cities and were starving except for soup kitchens. This generation is spoiled in comparison. Most of us have been brought up in cities and would not know how to survive off the land like our parents and grandparents did. Less than 5% of the population lives on farms currently, and most of the harvesting help is those illegal workers the Republicans hate so much.
For most workers the only way they can survive since they live in cities is to have a living minimum wage. They must pay for food, transportation, housing everything that keeps going up up up. While the real wages for most workers have been nearly stagnant for over 30 years. Before you start talking about what the people are drinking it would seem to me that we should take a little responsibility for the current state of things. It has been along process in this country but we have gone from a land of small subsistence farms into a modern industrial society, something the founding fathers could not predict.
So next we'll have to raise minimum wage to $75 an hour ...yes...I'll have the $250 cheeseburger... And a large glass of commie coolaid..
Out of touch with reality is exactly how I'd have to classify you. Nobody is suggesting a minimum wage that would put everyone in the middle class bracket. They just want a minimum wage that will allow people to support their families without needing government assistance to do it. There is nothing unreasonable about that. You need to do some reality checks. The notion that raising the minimum wage will raise prices just doesn't hold water. There are real world examples in other countries. Australia for instance has a minimum wage of $16 per hour and the price of a Big Mac is less than in the US. And guess what... McDonald's still makes big profits.
That $250,000 is what they consider the very top of the middle class bracket and it is not out of line. Above that would be considered upper class.
This idea that keeping wages low keeps prices low is bunk. Labor is just one element in the cost of goods and services. Those sales everyone are so fond of are possible becaue even with 50% off the business is still making money. Back in the day Henry Ford paid his workers $5.00 a day when other workers made $1.00 a day. His compeitors thought he had lost his mind. Ford realized it was workers like his own that would buy his cars. That business needed to pay fair wages so they could sell products to workers. If you take away the purchasing power of the middle class you are cutting your own throat over the long haul. You are in effect killing your own market.
What business's having been doing over the last several decades have been focusing on new emerging markets for new profits. The American market while still large is an older more mature market. The new growth is to come from places like India and China, the rest of Asia and even Africia. This has sort of backfired recently with the down turn in the Chinese market and th collapse of oil prices. That is why all those profits are sitting on the sidelines in off shore banks. That is why business owners are desperate to have their money brought back into this country for investment. What is holding that up is they don't want to have to pay taxes on those profits. In other words the free loaders want another free ride at the expense of those who do pay their taxes.
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There is really little or no voter fraud. Think about it you are going to wait in line and risk getting a 5 year prison term and a $10,000.00 fine just to cast one vote, I think not. The whole reason these laws were passed is because the Republicans could no longer win fair and square and had to rig the system. Let's face it the demographics of this country is changing and the minorities will be the majority by 2050.
